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		<title>By: Sreya Dutta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sreya Dutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cathy,

I really always read and appreciate your ideas as they are very practical and simple to understand and apply. It is the simple things that make a better learning experience. I often don&#039;t comment but let me tell you this has been my favorite post and I keep reading it over and over again, simply because it makes so much sense. 

I recently attended a very good classroom training session where I think i was a learner who had come in to gain whatever i could. I was low on confidence and afraid to try things even if i knew something lest I spoil something. The trainer was really excellent and the course actually boosted my confidence every time I understood why something was done the way it was and also when I was able to do a certain hands-on exercise on my own. Initially i was one of the slowest to get through an exercise, and by the end of the training I was competing to finish my assignment as fast as I could. This was a great boost. I relate to this post so much now because I think I&#039;ve gone through the stages you describe. That added so much to my experience as an Instructional Designer that I recommend more ID attend good classroom sessions and go through the process a learner goes through. 

Thanks very much and keep sharing such good articles!

Sreya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cathy,</p>
<p>I really always read and appreciate your ideas as they are very practical and simple to understand and apply. It is the simple things that make a better learning experience. I often don&#8217;t comment but let me tell you this has been my favorite post and I keep reading it over and over again, simply because it makes so much sense. </p>
<p>I recently attended a very good classroom training session where I think i was a learner who had come in to gain whatever i could. I was low on confidence and afraid to try things even if i knew something lest I spoil something. The trainer was really excellent and the course actually boosted my confidence every time I understood why something was done the way it was and also when I was able to do a certain hands-on exercise on my own. Initially i was one of the slowest to get through an exercise, and by the end of the training I was competing to finish my assignment as fast as I could. This was a great boost. I relate to this post so much now because I think I&#8217;ve gone through the stages you describe. That added so much to my experience as an Instructional Designer that I recommend more ID attend good classroom sessions and go through the process a learner goes through. </p>
<p>Thanks very much and keep sharing such good articles!</p>
<p>Sreya</p>
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		<title>By: Quintus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quintus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that this is a great approach, the main roadblock lies with the customer.  You need to convince them that the time and effort will pay off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that this is a great approach, the main roadblock lies with the customer.  You need to convince them that the time and effort will pay off.</p>
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		<title>By: From_clueless_to_confident &#171; Elearnit: Know How to Know!</title>
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		<dc:creator>From_clueless_to_confident &#171; Elearnit: Know How to Know!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From_clueless_to_confident 04Lug09    Segnaliamo questo interessante post metodologico di Cathy Moore su come creare i vostri corsi e fare in modo che gli utenti stessi &#8211; durante la fruizione &#8211; passino da &#8220;non ne ho idea&#8221; a &#8220;ok, so che posso fare da solo&#8221;. http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2009/05/four-ways-to-move-your-learners-from-clueless-to-confident [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kaleem</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy, you mention two points which can&#039;t be over-emphasised:
1. the difference between recognition and synthesis
2. relying on tools for interactivity

It&#039;s true also that SMEs and IDs get put off from branching scenarios for various reasons - mostly effort! but i do also think that a scenarios can be effective as a simple scene setter (&quot;...a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away&quot;) - relatively easy to write. The interactivity isn&#039;t in the clicking, but the engagement with the real world, or of painting a picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, you mention two points which can&#8217;t be over-emphasised:<br />
1. the difference between recognition and synthesis<br />
2. relying on tools for interactivity</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true also that SMEs and IDs get put off from branching scenarios for various reasons &#8211; mostly effort! but i do also think that a scenarios can be effective as a simple scene setter (&#8220;&#8230;a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away&#8221;) &#8211; relatively easy to write. The interactivity isn&#8217;t in the clicking, but the engagement with the real world, or of painting a picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore on designing effective roleplays + Gamasutra on designing conversations in games. &#171; Gamer/Learner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore on designing effective roleplays + Gamasutra on designing conversations in games. &#171; Gamer/Learner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four ways to move your learners from clueless to confident » Making Change The always inspiring Cathy Moore provides some useful ideas about designing effective roleplays and explains why they provide a better learning experience (tags: elearning roleplay simulation gamerlearner edugames)   Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)From Design to BookDaily Bookmarks 12/08/2008   &#9654; Comment   /* 0) { jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).show(&#039;&#039;, change_location()); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .closed&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;none&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .open&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;inline&#039;); return true; } else { jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).hide(&#039;&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .closed&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;inline&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .open&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;none&#039;); return false; } } jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a&#039;).click(function(){ if(jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;) == &#039;none&#039;) { self.location.href = &#039;#comments&#039;; check_location(); } else { check_location(&#039;hide&#039;); } }); function change_location() { self.location.href = &#039;#comments&#039;; } }); /* ]]&gt; */    Click here to cancel reply. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, that&#039;s an important point. A lot of elearning emphasizes reaction--you&#039;re supposed to simply recognize the correct answer. We often don&#039;t require any synthesis or independent judgment, we don&#039;t require the learner to respond to new situations, and we pretend that grey areas don&#039;t exist. 

It&#039;s easy to blame this on our tools (&quot;I can only create multiple-choice questions, so of course there&#039;s only one correct answer!&quot;). But if we break out of the standard elearning mold, we can see more creative ways to use these tools that allow for ambiguity, complexity, and independent judgment. 

Branching scenarios are an obvious way to do this but are often considered too time-consuming to write. So instead of spending a few more hours of our time in the design phase, we waste the time of thousands of learners who passively click through a &quot;course&quot; and learn very little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, that&#8217;s an important point. A lot of elearning emphasizes reaction&#8211;you&#8217;re supposed to simply recognize the correct answer. We often don&#8217;t require any synthesis or independent judgment, we don&#8217;t require the learner to respond to new situations, and we pretend that grey areas don&#8217;t exist. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to blame this on our tools (&#8220;I can only create multiple-choice questions, so of course there&#8217;s only one correct answer!&#8221;). But if we break out of the standard elearning mold, we can see more creative ways to use these tools that allow for ambiguity, complexity, and independent judgment. </p>
<p>Branching scenarios are an obvious way to do this but are often considered too time-consuming to write. So instead of spending a few more hours of our time in the design phase, we waste the time of thousands of learners who passively click through a &#8220;course&#8221; and learn very little.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, thanks for your comment. If someone wants to post or point to a reading list, I&#039;m sure many will find it helpful. I&#039;m aware of the large amount of theory out there, but I&#039;ve spent my limited time reading research or summaries of research. For that I recommend publications by Ruth Clark and Richard Mayer. Also, Will Thalheimer does a good job of translating research into practice in the publications available from his web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, thanks for your comment. If someone wants to post or point to a reading list, I&#8217;m sure many will find it helpful. I&#8217;m aware of the large amount of theory out there, but I&#8217;ve spent my limited time reading research or summaries of research. For that I recommend publications by Ruth Clark and Richard Mayer. Also, Will Thalheimer does a good job of translating research into practice in the publications available from his web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along with &quot;show instead of tell,&quot; I think there&#039;s &quot;action rather than reaction.&quot;  That&#039;s just another way to express your first two points. People don&#039;t learn by listening; they learn by relating the known to the unknown.

One insight I&#039;ve gained as I&#039;ve been plowing through &lt;i&gt;Ten Steps to Complex Learning&lt;/i&gt; is that there are two kinds of information involved: the procedural kind, which you apply in the same way each time, and the non-recurrent kind (as authors van Merrienboer and Kirschner call it), which you apply differently for each task.

So the bank officer, talking with a new customer, uses procedural knowledge to operate the banking system, take in customer date, open accounts, and so on.  The officer uses non-recurrent skills in identifying the customer&#039;s needs, responding to questions, and so forth.

Often, in complex learning, there&#039;s no single right answer.  Rather, there&#039;s a range of acceptable responses, a situation where a flexible approach will succeed much more often than a host of click-next-to-continue screens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with &#8220;show instead of tell,&#8221; I think there&#8217;s &#8220;action rather than reaction.&#8221;  That&#8217;s just another way to express your first two points. People don&#8217;t learn by listening; they learn by relating the known to the unknown.</p>
<p>One insight I&#8217;ve gained as I&#8217;ve been plowing through <i>Ten Steps to Complex Learning</i> is that there are two kinds of information involved: the procedural kind, which you apply in the same way each time, and the non-recurrent kind (as authors van Merrienboer and Kirschner call it), which you apply differently for each task.</p>
<p>So the bank officer, talking with a new customer, uses procedural knowledge to operate the banking system, take in customer date, open accounts, and so on.  The officer uses non-recurrent skills in identifying the customer&#8217;s needs, responding to questions, and so forth.</p>
<p>Often, in complex learning, there&#8217;s no single right answer.  Rather, there&#8217;s a range of acceptable responses, a situation where a flexible approach will succeed much more often than a host of click-next-to-continue screens.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Matas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Matas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaleem &amp; Cathy -

I am an academic and have read much in the instructional design and elearning categories. As an English teacher, I know that ideas like &quot;show instead of tell&quot; are important reminders of ideals that date back to Socrates. It becomes necessary to find fresh ways to convey the accepted wisdom.

This blog presents the accepted wisdom in a fresh way, weaving in real-life lessons from travel experience. There is no need to cite any references. Certainly no modern writer was the first to claim these principles.

I believe there are annotated bibliographies of important texts on elearning and instructional design out on the web -- can anyone help point out where avid learners could find such a list?

Best,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaleem &amp; Cathy -</p>
<p>I am an academic and have read much in the instructional design and elearning categories. As an English teacher, I know that ideas like &#8220;show instead of tell&#8221; are important reminders of ideals that date back to Socrates. It becomes necessary to find fresh ways to convey the accepted wisdom.</p>
<p>This blog presents the accepted wisdom in a fresh way, weaving in real-life lessons from travel experience. There is no need to cite any references. Certainly no modern writer was the first to claim these principles.</p>
<p>I believe there are annotated bibliographies of important texts on elearning and instructional design out on the web &#8212; can anyone help point out where avid learners could find such a list?</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaleem, I appreciate your concern about showing respect to people for their ideas. I&#039;ll also point out that more than one person can have the same ideas. 

While apparently I agree with the authors you refer to, I haven&#039;t read them and therefore feel no need to cite them as the source of what I&#039;ve written. The ideas in the article seem to me to be common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaleem, I appreciate your concern about showing respect to people for their ideas. I&#8217;ll also point out that more than one person can have the same ideas. </p>
<p>While apparently I agree with the authors you refer to, I haven&#8217;t read them and therefore feel no need to cite them as the source of what I&#8217;ve written. The ideas in the article seem to me to be common sense.</p>
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