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		<title>By: Elearning design: How to make linear courses more interesting</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-36933</link>
		<dc:creator>Elearning design: How to make linear courses more interesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Erik Wallen&#8211;his comment on Is a course really the answer? inspired this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Could animations hurt learning?</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-33365</link>
		<dc:creator>Could animations hurt learning?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is a course really the answer? Common mistakes when writing multiple-choice questions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Making Change &#187; Could animations hurt learning?</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-13608</link>
		<dc:creator>Making Change &#187; Could animations hurt learning?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom Kuhlmann</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Kuhlmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re seeing a transition in the industry.  At first, we just mimicked what we did in ILT...only all we did was the content but neglected the interaction.  Then the tools made it easier to create the content, but we ended up with click and read courses.

Now, I think we&#039;re starting to see a demand for more sophistication.  The industry is growing, the technology is getting easier to use, and people are empowered to understand and try new things.

You blog is a good example of the changes in the industry.  Just a few years ago, no one would have known you and benefited from your experience and expertise.  Today, you&#039;re able to influence training that&#039;s built all over the world.  Pretty amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re seeing a transition in the industry.  At first, we just mimicked what we did in ILT&#8230;only all we did was the content but neglected the interaction.  Then the tools made it easier to create the content, but we ended up with click and read courses.</p>
<p>Now, I think we&#8217;re starting to see a demand for more sophistication.  The industry is growing, the technology is getting easier to use, and people are empowered to understand and try new things.</p>
<p>You blog is a good example of the changes in the industry.  Just a few years ago, no one would have known you and benefited from your experience and expertise.  Today, you&#8217;re able to influence training that&#8217;s built all over the world.  Pretty amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, thanks for your point. I agree that page-turning can be used to reveal information in interesting ways. It&#039;s a fun challenge to be creative when all you have to work with are little slides. 

I just get uncomfortable when we start to call a slideshow a &quot;course.&quot; It sometimes seems like the elearning is defined as &quot;slideshow with a quiz at the end.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, thanks for your point. I agree that page-turning can be used to reveal information in interesting ways. It&#8217;s a fun challenge to be creative when all you have to work with are little slides. </p>
<p>I just get uncomfortable when we start to call a slideshow a &#8220;course.&#8221; It sometimes seems like the elearning is defined as &#8220;slideshow with a quiz at the end.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Wallen</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Wallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to point out that page turners don&#039;t have be boring (although I agree that most of them are).  I&#039;ve seen two very interesting page turners recently, &quot;Dump the Drone&quot; and &quot;Meet Charlene&quot; at Janet Clary&#039;s site.  The information in these slide shows could have been presented as an easy to scan bulleted list or a series of tables but both used page turning as a way to let a story unfold and reveal information in an interesting way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that page turners don&#8217;t have be boring (although I agree that most of them are).  I&#8217;ve seen two very interesting page turners recently, &#8220;Dump the Drone&#8221; and &#8220;Meet Charlene&#8221; at Janet Clary&#8217;s site.  The information in these slide shows could have been presented as an easy to scan bulleted list or a series of tables but both used page turning as a way to let a story unfold and reveal information in an interesting way.</p>
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		<title>By: Page Turners: Good for novels, not so good for elearning? &#171; aLearning Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Page Turners: Good for novels, not so good for elearning? &#171; aLearning Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] courses structured like the model I posted recently (see link on the left).  In her entry, &#8220;Is a course really the answer?&#8221; she&#8217;s hit on a very hot topic, with comments still getting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Kuhlmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kuhlmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave, that&#039;s why you give them the course and then a link to a 90 minute movie:)  

We had the same problem at a company I worked with.  The state required 2 hours but it only took about 30 minutes to get through the content...a very boring 30 minutes, I might add.

One way to prevent harassment is to tell the people going through the course is that if they harass they&#039;ll be subject to taking more courses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave, that&#8217;s why you give them the course and then a link to a 90 minute movie:)  </p>
<p>We had the same problem at a company I worked with.  The state required 2 hours but it only took about 30 minutes to get through the content&#8230;a very boring 30 minutes, I might add.</p>
<p>One way to prevent harassment is to tell the people going through the course is that if they harass they&#8217;ll be subject to taking more courses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://blog.cathy-moore.com/2007/12/is-a-course-really-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thought: when you have a complex system with many structured processes, then a more organized course (&quot;likely learning sequence&quot;) seems to make sense.  

What I have in mind is something like Amtrak&#039;s reservation system (or Marriott&#039;s, or a bank&#039;s retail-customer system): lots of stuff going on, most of it in the form of transactions that add up to some custormer-valued whole.

You can assemble these transactional molecules in many ways, some guided by particular scenarios.  For example, the agent at the station probably does a lot more ticket-issuing; the agent on the phone does a lot more what-if comparisons.

You could (and my team did) assemble clusters of learning, making clear what someone needed as prerequisite skills.  A simple nontechnical description helps: &quot;This course shows you how to report arrival and departure times.&quot;  (In other words, if you don&#039;t want or need that, don&#039;t take the course.)

This is in no way endorses micromanagement; not everything that can be counted, counts.  Far too often, though, the online learning system (or LMS or what have you) is sold to decision-makers at a high level, and tracking means control means I know something, even if it&#039;s not &lt;em&gt;worth&lt;/em&gt; knowing.

As for compliance training, I worked on an online, prevention-of-harassment course for which one criteria was that it &lt;em&gt;had to&lt;/em&gt; take at least two hours to complete.  This was because (at least at time time) the state of California required supervisors and managers to complete two hours&#039; worth of such training.  

So if someone finished in 90 minutes, she wouldn&#039;t have met the standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thought: when you have a complex system with many structured processes, then a more organized course (&#8220;likely learning sequence&#8221;) seems to make sense.  </p>
<p>What I have in mind is something like Amtrak&#8217;s reservation system (or Marriott&#8217;s, or a bank&#8217;s retail-customer system): lots of stuff going on, most of it in the form of transactions that add up to some custormer-valued whole.</p>
<p>You can assemble these transactional molecules in many ways, some guided by particular scenarios.  For example, the agent at the station probably does a lot more ticket-issuing; the agent on the phone does a lot more what-if comparisons.</p>
<p>You could (and my team did) assemble clusters of learning, making clear what someone needed as prerequisite skills.  A simple nontechnical description helps: &#8220;This course shows you how to report arrival and departure times.&#8221;  (In other words, if you don&#8217;t want or need that, don&#8217;t take the course.)</p>
<p>This is in no way endorses micromanagement; not everything that can be counted, counts.  Far too often, though, the online learning system (or LMS or what have you) is sold to decision-makers at a high level, and tracking means control means I know something, even if it&#8217;s not <em>worth</em> knowing.</p>
<p>As for compliance training, I worked on an online, prevention-of-harassment course for which one criteria was that it <em>had to</em> take at least two hours to complete.  This was because (at least at time time) the state of California required supervisors and managers to complete two hours&#8217; worth of such training.  </p>
<p>So if someone finished in 90 minutes, she wouldn&#8217;t have met the standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anu, welcome to the blog, and thanks for your question. I&#039;ve read arguments saying that people who are new to a topic and people who may not have well-developed learning skills are best served by a structured approach. This certainly makes sense on first glance. It also seems entirely appropriate to provide a step-by-step approach for complex learning that is likely to take weeks to accomplish.

Higher education seems less likely to impose the kind of control that I&#039;m concerned about. My concern isn&#039;t with providing structure and steps to follow. I&#039;m more concerned with the kind of micro-management that occurs in many corporate elearning projects, in which the learner is so tightly controlled that they can&#039;t easily review information or skip what that they know. 

Often, the learner has no menu (they can only click a Next button), so they don&#039;t even know what the structure of the information is. Happily, I don&#039;t recall seeing this approach in higher education courses, but I&#039;m not as familiar with that world. 

I&#039;ve worked on several projects that provide structured yet flexible courses through what are essentially HTML pages. Probably the most relevant example is a series of four courses on consultative sales (business-to-business sales that require you to learn a lot about the company you&#039;re trying to win as a customer). 

Each course in the series was roughly equivalent to a two-hour online course, so the whole thing required about 8 hours of online work. The materials were designed in HTML with lots of embedded and pop-up Flash interactives and simulations. 

The company offering the series gave learners a high-level overview of what each course covered. A learner would then open a course and see a full-sized web site with a menu on the left that showed the detailed structure of that course&#039;s info. Each page had an entry in the menu, so the menu provided direct access to each step or concept. The HTML pages were occasionally long enough to require a bit of scrolling and always included Flash interactives. 

All four courses were one big simulation based on a story, so learners had a good reason to start with course 1 and go through everything in order, or the simulation wouldn&#039;t make sense. 

However, we didn&#039;t *require* the learner to go through the materials in order. The learner could easily go back and review something or could skip ahead if they were confident that they understood the material. The beginning of each course summarized what had happened in the story so far.

The project was designed for people who wanted to improve their sales (it wasn&#039;t required for certification, for example). We designed the simulation activities so the learner would discover for themselves if they understood the material and could gauge their own ability to apply it in the real world.

If instead learners had been required to demonstrate competency, we wouldn&#039;t have changed the course design to control the learners more. We would have collected data about their performance in the online activities and possibly added a final activity as an overall assessment. 

Again, thanks for your thought-provoking question!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anu, welcome to the blog, and thanks for your question. I&#8217;ve read arguments saying that people who are new to a topic and people who may not have well-developed learning skills are best served by a structured approach. This certainly makes sense on first glance. It also seems entirely appropriate to provide a step-by-step approach for complex learning that is likely to take weeks to accomplish.</p>
<p>Higher education seems less likely to impose the kind of control that I&#8217;m concerned about. My concern isn&#8217;t with providing structure and steps to follow. I&#8217;m more concerned with the kind of micro-management that occurs in many corporate elearning projects, in which the learner is so tightly controlled that they can&#8217;t easily review information or skip what that they know. </p>
<p>Often, the learner has no menu (they can only click a Next button), so they don&#8217;t even know what the structure of the information is. Happily, I don&#8217;t recall seeing this approach in higher education courses, but I&#8217;m not as familiar with that world. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked on several projects that provide structured yet flexible courses through what are essentially HTML pages. Probably the most relevant example is a series of four courses on consultative sales (business-to-business sales that require you to learn a lot about the company you&#8217;re trying to win as a customer). </p>
<p>Each course in the series was roughly equivalent to a two-hour online course, so the whole thing required about 8 hours of online work. The materials were designed in HTML with lots of embedded and pop-up Flash interactives and simulations. </p>
<p>The company offering the series gave learners a high-level overview of what each course covered. A learner would then open a course and see a full-sized web site with a menu on the left that showed the detailed structure of that course&#8217;s info. Each page had an entry in the menu, so the menu provided direct access to each step or concept. The HTML pages were occasionally long enough to require a bit of scrolling and always included Flash interactives. </p>
<p>All four courses were one big simulation based on a story, so learners had a good reason to start with course 1 and go through everything in order, or the simulation wouldn&#8217;t make sense. </p>
<p>However, we didn&#8217;t *require* the learner to go through the materials in order. The learner could easily go back and review something or could skip ahead if they were confident that they understood the material. The beginning of each course summarized what had happened in the story so far.</p>
<p>The project was designed for people who wanted to improve their sales (it wasn&#8217;t required for certification, for example). We designed the simulation activities so the learner would discover for themselves if they understood the material and could gauge their own ability to apply it in the real world.</p>
<p>If instead learners had been required to demonstrate competency, we wouldn&#8217;t have changed the course design to control the learners more. We would have collected data about their performance in the online activities and possibly added a final activity as an overall assessment. </p>
<p>Again, thanks for your thought-provoking question!</p>
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